ĪF: That’s literally what is going on with us.īB: You know what? I don’t buy it, because y’all are veterans at doing this, y’all helped create the genre, you’ve been doing it for going on, I guess, eight years, and there is some genius in your casual approach to this. That’s good.ĪS: Also, you can be a podcasting legend and still have almost no skills, and so I really just want to put forth that that what’s going on with us. Welcome to Unlocking Us.ĪS: From the vulnerability legend herself.ĪS: Okay. Let’s jump in.īB: So let me just first start by saying welcome, and I have to say I’m a little nervous because I feel like y’all are podcasting kind of legends and veterans. Their first book is titled Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close, and it’s a gorgeous read. Together, Aminatou and Ann host the long running podcast, Call Your Girlfriend. She’s a contributing editor to The Gentlewoman every Friday, and she sends a popular email newsletter and lives in Los Angeles. Ann Friedman is a journalist, essayist, and media entrepreneur. She is a frequent public speaker who’s talks and interviews lead to candid conversations about ambition, money, and power. Aminatou Sow is a writer, interviewer, and cultural commentator. I’m glad you’re here.īB: Before we get started, let me tell you a little bit about our guests on Unlocking Us today. Just stick a pad and a pen in your back pocket.

If you’re hanging out at home working or… I clean a lot while I’m listening to podcasts. I took three pages of notes while they were talking. So if you’re walking, you’re going to want to take some notes on this.

I love this conversation, I love the fact that we’re talking about friendship, because I think we’re desperate for it right now across the culture, and I can’t imagine two better people to talk about it than these two. There has to be effort, we have to show up, we have to lean in, we have to be vulnerable, we have to work out hard things when it’s easier just to take off and shut down. They teach us that meaningful connection requires meaningful work. I know I am, I know my family members are, and one of the big mythologies that I think just kind of floats in the ether is that friendship should be easy and casual and not a lot of work, but Aminatou and Ann approach friendship in such an intentional way. I’m going to tell you why.īB: I think we are so desperate for intimate connection with friends.

Brené Brown: Hi everyone, I’m Brené Brown and this is Unlocking Us.īB: This week, I’m talking to Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman about their book, Big Friendship.

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